Curses, Hexes etc

[mollimizz]

So say a spouse if verbally/physically abusive, cursing or
binding him/her would be "acceptable" ?
Done in "good taste" that is...
Gentle Light
Mollimizz

[watershield]

Good taste be damed.
If you feel it is right and have no guilt in the act, go for it.

You see, all things are possible if we believe and carry no guilt in our deed.
There is no right nor wrong except in our own creation,
If we do a deed, no matter what it might be. if we feel some remorse or guilt in that act, then we will find a way to punish ourselves. If we feel no remorse, no guilt, then there is no return,
We are redeemed in our acts by faith.

[Jen]

Nov 24, 2008 9:48:29 GMT 1 watershield said:

If we do a deed, no matter what it might be. if we feel some remorse or guilt in that act, then we will find a way to punish ourselves. If we feel no remorse, no guilt, then there is no return

I totally agree with this 100%.
As soon as we feel guilt about something we are creating a negative connection between ourselves and the thing we feel guilty about.
We are the sum of our thoughts and if we feel negative emotions we are going to attract negative things in our lives.
If you act and react to a certain situation/event then act/react and then let it go.
Guilt is the most harmful thing ever because it serves NO PURPOSE except to punish ourselves.
Guilt doesn't solve the situation, guilt doesn't mean the event didn't happen, guilt doesn't help anyone. It is pointless and yet how many times do we let it rule us?

[/soap box]

[kolohe]

Without guilt we have the potential to be monsters. What about the abusive spouse who doesn't feel guilty at all? Guilt is the failsafe for responsibility for our actions, those who don't feel it are narcissists and psychopaths. Guilt is simply a clue that there may be something about our behavior to be assessed and addressed, sure excessive guilt can be self defeating, but it can also be an impetus for growth and self improvement.

[Jen]

Without compassion we have the potential to be monsters.

How does guilt help someone in anyway?

When you feel guilty about something what does it achieve?

Is it the guilt that makes you look at situations and see what you did wrong and evaluate an event differently?
or is it some other emotion?
Is it learning the lessons from what happened that teaches responsibility for our actions?

[watershield]

It's important to understand what it is you want to do before you do it.
If you plan any form of action you need to consider what it is you want to do and how you intent to achieve it. During this consideration, if you find you have some reservations about it, then you need to reconsider the act.

Guilt is not something you can control. It's an instinctive trait that has been developed as you grow and experience life. It's tied to your ethics. And just because we may do things that seem or are cruel or hurtful to others, does not mean that we don't feel some degree of guilt. How we deal outwardly with guilt is often a problem that affects our social environment. And how we deal with guilt internally affects so many aspects of the human condition....books have been written on the subject.

What we are dealing with here is the concept of hexes and energy weaving, not the actions of individuals in bad relationships.
And I'm not advocating that we can ignore guilt and proceed with our plans. ignoring guilt does not make it go away.

Any time we plan to energy weave, to succeed, we need to understand what it is we want to achieve, how we intend to achieve it, and what the affect of our action will be. If we encounter doubt during this phase, it is most probable that your weaving will not work. Rather, if you attempt to proceed, you will feel guilty with regard to your deed.

In planning some action, if you encounter any form of doubt, then you will encounter some level of guilt and in turn, in some way and at some level, you will punish yourself.

[kolohe]

As soon as we do something our moral compass tells us not to do we feel guilt, guilt is not the problem doing that action is the problem. Nothing inherently wrong with feeling guilt, anger, fear or any other "negative emotion",it's what we do with them, life will never be all positive and bland and sweet and easy, but our greatest transformative moments can come from our greatest challenges.

[Jen]

Nov 24, 2008 20:25:35 GMT 1 kolohe said:

Nothing inherently wrong with feeling guilt, anger, fear or any other "negative emotion",it's what we do with them, life will never be all positive and bland and sweet and easy, but our greatest transformative moments can come from our greatest challenges.

Yep, agree with this too.
Feeling guilt is natural, what I'm trying to say is- let that guilt go.
Holding on to guilt is not going to achieve anything.
We don't have the power to change the past but we do have the power to change the present and affect the future.

[thatguy]

I don't claim to understand much. I think that one of the most difficult things to do, for myself at any rate, is to restrain my desire to bring doom on those who harm me. Sometimes, when time passes, I see others' action in a different light, or, others will take actions which redeem themselves in my wildly personal view. When I think about this I think about power, and how dangerous it would be to have massive amounts of power if one cannot control one's desire to harm or to help, not repress, but have some degree of control beyond reacting.

Surely following our passions are important, but I think the longer we restrain and consider, the more truly and honestly our passions will drive our power.

T. Guy.

[Goth]

There ARE times when feeling guilt is appropriate.

There are also times, when feeling guilt is not appropriate.

Every situation is different and should be judged according to the circumstances and people involved.

Feeling guilt teaches us compassion, responsibility and prevents us repeating the same negative actions over and over.

At least, in my opinion.

[Jen]

Dec 16, 2008 16:55:25 GMT 1 Goth said:

Every situation is different and should be judged according to the circumstances and people involved.

Wise words there Goth - and very true.

[theyd]

i know i am responding to a lot of old post and i hope it is alright.....

curses and hexes ... if i feel there is a need to use them oh, yea!! sure will and am not worry about the negative energy. even though i somewhat agree with the law of three. ( still working on proving if it is or not) let that negative energy come i will accept it and absorb it using it to help balance me out. as many have say i am a Polly Anna.

[watershield]

No problem responding to any post you want.

Thing is, the rule of three is a wiccan concept. It is believed that it was created to hold coven members in line during the days when witchcraft was still against the law and Gardner was working on getting it legal.
Same with that harm none stuff.

It remains, if you accept the three fold law, even just a little, you will have a degree of guilt if your hexing, and thereby, your spell will most likely fail.

[celticmagick]

I personally am opposed to using curses and hexes altogether. Not to say that I believe in the three fold law in the sense that it would come back on me three times, however, I do believe in Karma and wouldn't want that to come back on me at all.

Another controversial type of magick, i would like to add is binding. One could argue that it takes away ones free will. I however think it is just fine when used in the right way.

[watershield]

If you believe in Karma, that suggests that you also believe that someone or something sits in judgement over your actions.
Who or what would that be?