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Post by kiowa on Jun 25, 2006 14:11:33 GMT 1
Watershield wrote:
"But in truth, if you are going to use magic, there will be ramifications that can not be known to the user. If you attempt to draw energy with only one influence, nature will seek a balance. With or without your knowledge or awareness and with desirable or undesirable results.
If you can set aside your concepts of good and bad, negative and positive, and just focus on the balance, on the center and draw upon that source, your weaving will be stronger and you have less chance for peripheral random effects. "
I'd like to learn a little bit more about this. Can you possibly direct me to some reading Watershield? Thank you.
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Post by watershield on Jun 26, 2006 7:58:32 GMT 1
Sorry, I have no library or reference matterial.
My understanding of things is based on my own personal experiences and ever changing concepts of the universe
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Post by kiowa on Jun 26, 2006 10:30:08 GMT 1
K, no matter. The pile of reading on my desk at the moment is threatening to topple over onto one of my kids as it is! Perhaps I should actually start some of it. Lol.
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Post by watershield on Jun 26, 2006 11:15:44 GMT 1
I have found over time that the writtings of others have little relivence.
It's only a matter of what you understand and can accept as a truth.
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Post by phoenix on Jun 26, 2006 14:22:59 GMT 1
I agree with life about being balance. A path is seldom straight and can wonder through the light and the dark. It is up to you what you do
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Post by pixiedust on Jun 26, 2006 19:33:39 GMT 1
I have found over time that the writtings of others have little relivence. It's only a matter of what you understand and can accept as a truth. You made me think again damn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by watershield on Jun 26, 2006 21:59:47 GMT 1
Yeah, I hate it when that happens.....thinking hurts... ;D
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Post by kiowa on Jun 26, 2006 22:49:14 GMT 1
oooh don't I know it !!!
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Post by a67driana on Jun 27, 2006 0:01:02 GMT 1
How does writing 'the writings of others rarely have any relavence' make one think? What one understands and can accept as truth? Avoiding giving any answer seen as wisdom - errr?
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Post by a67driana on Jun 27, 2006 1:46:12 GMT 1
Think logically. If there is 'no relevance in what others write', there is no point in being on a forum bar one.To think that only what one 'understands and accepts' as truth can, therefore not come from anything than oneself. On a forum, that means you set yourself up as the truth. On a forum this presents you as the truth for others to accept, as whatever they write will have no relevance. And, .....some have. Deary me.
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Post by watershield on Jun 27, 2006 6:37:39 GMT 1
LOL... ;D
Well to try to put it back into context, I was asked if I had any source material that I could refer someone to.
My reply was intended to mean, I don't worry about the writing of other people regarding the craft anymore.
I definitely don't care what Gardner or Buckland have to say. Don't want to read Cunningham or the like. I did read about half of the Celestine Prophecy, which basically confirmed what I already knew. It was boring, I sat it down and I just never got back to it.
Every book that I have read since I was 19 (I'm 55 now), regarding the craft is basically a re statement of something I read before.
For me, todays "commercial" authors are no longer relevant.
I have my belief and it works for me.
The forum however is a unique and wonderful thing. People come on here and in most cases post original thoughts. Posts from their own unique perspective. Telling us about how they see things, how they feel things and how it works for them.
The people here are here because they want to share and learn in the process. They are not attempting to express a point of view for the purpose of making the almighty dollar.
Since I have been on this board, there have been a number of people that have inspired me to rethink my position on several matters and my path has evolved in the process.
There are some boards out there where I stand with my original statement. They ain't relevant!
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Post by a67driana on Jun 27, 2006 9:59:37 GMT 1
A developmental and interactive process after all! You wrote: "But in truth, if you are going to use magic, there will be ramifications that can not be known to the user. If you attempt to draw energy with only one influence, nature will seek a balance. With or without your knowledge or awareness and with desirable or undesirable results." SO, SHOULD ONE NOT CARE OR HAVE CARE ABOUT THE UNITENDED EFFECTS? THE UNIVERSE MAY RE-BALANCE (OVER WHAT TIME? ) BUT THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT IMPACT? If you can set aside your concepts of good and bad, negative and positive, and just focus on the balance, on the center and draw upon that source, your weaving will be stronger and you have less chance for peripheral random effects. " CONCEPTUALLY, ONE MAY SET ASIDE CONCEPTS OF GOOD AND EVIL, BAD AND GOOD, POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. ODDLY, BEYOND THE FIRST ACT WE DO NOT LIVE IN A CONCEPTUAL FRAMEWORK - WE LIVE, WE WEAVE. THEREFORE GOOD AND BAD DO HAPPEN TO US AND THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND US. DOES FOCUSING AWAY FROM 'IMPACT' REALLY MINIMISE THE 'RANDOM'? IS THIS NOT JUST AN EXCUSE FOR - WHAT I WANT I DO, SCREW THE REST OF YOU? |
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Post by Jen on Jun 27, 2006 11:15:19 GMT 1
SO, SHOULD ONE NOT CARE OR HAVE CARE ABOUT THE UNITENDED EFFECTS? THE UNIVERSE MAY RE-BALANCE (OVER WHAT TIME? ) BUT THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT IMPACT? It is vital that a spell caster cares about the effects of a spell. Which is why it is so important to actually think before you cast a spell. A lot of witches I know actually perform divination before casting a spell - to see if it is fortuitous to perform the spell in the first place. It is impossible to say how and when the universe will balance itself out, what I can say is for every action there is a reaction. Spell casting is basically a selfish act and the caster is fundamentally thinking of themselves first and foremost. No problem with that says I. |
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Post by a67driana on Jun 27, 2006 12:00:22 GMT 1
That at least seems to have a greater logic to it than what went before.
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Post by watershield on Jun 27, 2006 17:50:57 GMT 1
So you tell me. When you "spell craft" have you considered all of the endless possibilities of your actions. Can you foresee the eternal chain that is put into motion by your action? Or do you care?
Good and Bad are concepts that totally depend on your perspective and how it affects you. What you perceive as a bad result may be exactly what I was attempting to achieve.
I don't do a lot of spell work. But on those times I do, I do so with a desired goal. To me that goal is good. I don't really care if anyone else thinks it is. I didn't do it for them.
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