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Post by Jen on Feb 3, 2006 19:09:37 GMT 1
It seems to me as I wander through cyber space a lot of Wiccans will not do spells that bend the will of another person because of the 3 fold law. Then I have noticed that the same people will then ask for a hex spell. Now, I have asked this question on the afore mentioned forums but have not yet had any replies.
Can someone help me to understand why a Wiccan would cast a hex yet they would not do a spell to, lets say, get someone to phone them? ( That's just an example )
Any light shed on the matter will be appreciated.
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Post by angelis on Feb 3, 2006 19:50:25 GMT 1
hhhmmm,
I wanted to know the same. I know about spells but I try not to write them myself cause what good are they to me unless I really need to say the words I need in flow. I just wonder hexs are not more than just words with hate. But # fold law is in a different ball park of this. But I will go grab information on both for you all.
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Post by angelis on Feb 3, 2006 19:54:10 GMT 1
The Rule of Three
The rule of three is simple but very powerful: Whatever you do comes back to you threefold.
This is not only in magick, but in every aspect of life. Witches are warned in the Wiccan Rede to "ever mind the rule of three." So remember to think before you act, or you could suffer serious consequences.
Ask anyone who did a less than nice spell on someone what repercussions they had. They are never pretty.
Most Wiccans also believe in Karma, a phenomenon that guides the soul toward evolving acts. While it isn't quite a cosmic system of checks and balances, good brings good and bad propagates bad.
Wiccans don't believe in predestination. We make the choices that pattern our lives. We are responsible for our own actions -- we have no one to blame for them except ourselves.
In some religions, there is a belief that you will get your rewards and punishments after you die, in the afterlife. Because of this, many people think they can get away with things, not having to face up to their responsibilities until after death. Not so in Witchcraft. We believe that we are responsible for our actions right here and now. (Raymond Buckland).
Below are some commonly used seals for spells that are evermindful of the rule of three:
By the power of three times three, this spell is bound so mote it be.
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By the karmic power of the number three
This spell tied or knotted be
So that its contents stay together
And can't harm human, beast or weather
(Dorothy Morrison)
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Post by watershield on Feb 3, 2006 21:37:30 GMT 1
I think easier said is...
What a tangled web we weave, If at first we seek to deceive.
This applies to ourselves as well as others.
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Post by Ebony on Feb 4, 2006 7:40:51 GMT 1
I like these Angelis!
I've always written my own spells, guess because I haven't had any spells to use other than the ones that pop out of my head. Good spell closure is important and I get bored with using the same thing all the time.
I am just beginning on my path of Wicca/Paganism so I’ve not heard of the Wiccan Rede until a couple months ago. But I’ve used crystal and stone magic for years (naively not realizing I was on a pagan path but that’s a different topic), and through my other studies I know about the impact of karma and the three-fold law.
So with this in mind I try to keep my spells all about changing me and my attitudes, and situations in my control. Trying to bend another’s will is something I can’t see myself ever trying to do. I wouldn’t want to find out that I am in love with someone because of a spell anymore than I would want to find out someone is with me because, say, I’m rich.
To me hexing and cursing aren’t an attempt to bend someone’s will, rather, I see these as the spell caster purposely wishing harm to another. With this in mind the 3 fold law and karma will have a bigger impact than say, a love spell. The love spell probably won’t work anyway, but an attempt to harm someone will have karmic consequences.
I probably don’t have the knowledge to answer Hedge’s question, but I’m going to throw in my 2 cents worth anyway. These people with contradictory posts are either; 1. being dishonest with themselves and not really knowing what they are doing; or, 2. being dishonest with the other members of the forum.
These are probably the same people that have asked for advice, and when I’ve given my advise they tell me my advise is wrong (but that’s also another topic!)
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Post by watershield on Feb 4, 2006 8:16:17 GMT 1
Reading this over, it sounds kind of blunt and boarderline rude. Not intended to be so, but some days I am blunt.  I think that is a Wiccan belief, not necessarily accepted by all. I know I don't ascribe to it and I've never experienced any repercussions. Sorry, But I cringe when I hear the word Karma. It's not a word that is easy to explain in Western concepts. It has many faces. If you've studied Buddism and have a reasonable idea of what reincarnation and Nirvana might be, then fine. But I don't think most people do. Hedge asked: I can't suggest why any Wiccan would or would not do anything. I'm not a Wiccan. However the fact that they ask for help to create a spell at all, suggests to me that they lack knowledge. I would tend to think these folks need some "tender steering" to head them back to the path of seeking for knowledge. It's very easy to read a couple of books, learn all the theory according to "Tiddlewink". But it's another matter altogether to put that learning to an actual deed. |
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Post by angeleyes on Feb 4, 2006 16:38:31 GMT 1
well as i'm still learning i dont have a full opinion on the 3 fold although i know of it, but can any of you tell me about spells for ones self and the personal gain thing.. i have noticed there are loads of spells to help you sleep better, look better ect..ect.. if the power of personal gain is true then why would anyone risk doing spells on themself...  ?? Aud |
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Post by watershield on Feb 6, 2006 18:12:17 GMT 1
First of all, I don't think that the average individual has the ability to affect a spell that can truly have visible signs of effect in this plane.
There are just to many distractions to attain the emotional and psychic connection with the energy to do so.
From time to time however, when we are significantly distressed or in a state of "raw emotion", a temporary connection might be made. Sometime inadvertently with random results.
Most spells are focused on calming emotion, getting good sleep, and so on because these are things that can be attained through a positive personal attitude.
Many spells are chants, or a form of meditation, and we all know the value of meditation.
Having said this, it is possible to preform powerful spells in the area of attack and defense. But again these are usually done at times of heightened emotion or in distress situations.
Attempting to attract money or fame are acts which generally can not be attained through magic. It is possible to perform a spell to give a more positive outlook toward these goals and then by your own unique means attain what ever success is possible to you. After all, a positive outlook will attract a positive energy.
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Post by lunarose on Feb 10, 2006 6:27:56 GMT 1
Well, first of all I must say that my path has steered me into a totally different belief system than the one I stared out with. I think that is a Wiccan belief, not necessarily accepted by all. I know I don't ascribe to it and I've never experienced any repercussions. Sorry, But I cringe when I hear the word Karma. It's not a word that is easy to explain in Western concepts. It has many faces. If you've studied Buddism and have a reasonable idea of what reincarnation and Nirvana might be, then fine. But I don't think most people do. I can't suggest why any Wiccan would or would not do anything. I'm not a Wiccan. However the fact that they ask for help to create a spell at all, suggests to me that they lack knowledge. I would tend to think these folks need some "tender steering" to head them back to the path of seeking for knowledge. It's very easy to read a couple of books, learn all the theory according to "Tiddlewink". But it's another matter altogether to put that learning to an actual deed. 
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Post by watershield on Feb 10, 2006 8:44:16 GMT 1
What I find so amazing is that every time I read a topic, search within me to understand where I am on that topic, then put my thoughts to words, I learn something new again.
These are thinks I've known for a long time but never attempted to articulate. The process of typing it out here, helps me to see what it is that I have always believed and that is true for me.
And you are right, it's ok not to have knowledge.
I know a lot about a few things, and a little about a lot of things, but I don't know it all! ;D
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Post by lunarose on Feb 10, 2006 22:16:25 GMT 1
To be honest, I was really excited when I started forming definite opinions on certain things. I feel that to search within yourself and actually be able to put into words where you are at present is a major accomplishment. That is a great benefit of this forum that I didn't think about.
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Post by blackwolf on Feb 11, 2006 4:17:39 GMT 1
All of you make very good points. But lets pose another question. What if you know a complete idiot that screws with you at every opertunity. Shouldn't or she get what's coming to them so to speak? |
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Post by watershield on Feb 11, 2006 6:36:12 GMT 1
Off the top of my head, there are two types of of "individuals" that qualify for the role you speak of.
There is the class clown. Always attempting to be funny, the center of attention. Very annoying.
You don't need magic on that type of pest. They are just not worth the energy it takes to whack them with a rolled up news paper. Punish them by ignoring them.
The other is the jerk. Mean, spiteful, vindictive rumor spreading mosquitoes. Always stirring the pot, trying to start an office feud. Again, not worth the time it takes to spite. Again, ignore them.
Both of these types are already doing things in the physical world that's going to come back to bite them.
Most likely and eventually by either a fist or the bosses size 12!
Having said this, I go to some thing I said "someplace", Most practitioners are practicing Placebo Magic. If it gives you satisfaction by lighting a black candle and stabbing it with a silver pin, Bob's your uncle.
If you feel that placing that hex is going to speed those pests demise, go for it.
If your Wiccan however (and I'm not) you will run afoul with the rede.
Be aware of what you do, why you are doing it, the expectations of the deed and it's true effect
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Post by Goth on Feb 11, 2006 10:50:11 GMT 1
All of you make very good points. But lets pose another question. What if you know a complete idiot that screws with you at every opertunity. Shouldn't or she get what's coming to them so to speak? They will get what's coming to them....eventually. You get back what you put out *smiles* |
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Post by Jen on Feb 11, 2006 15:36:58 GMT 1
I cringe when I hear the word karma too WS!
I think it's a word that gets used far to often by people who really don't understand their view of what it actually means.
I like to compare karma to making soup. If you put good vegetables in the pot you're gonna have a good tea, where as if you use rotten veg you're gonna go hungry.
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