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Post by kolohe on Dec 30, 2008 23:15:55 GMT 1
Magic is energy plus intent, I agree with Dara it might not always be conscious intent, the plant grows thru the intent of the universe so I don't know that I'd say random, for people it might be subconscious intent. I agree with Watershield and Hedge re. energy everything is fundamentally connected like a spider web, when we harmoniously focus our intent we can influence the universal energies and blend it with our own. So spells, rituals, visualization are all examples of ways to focus our intent. Energy can come from inside us or flow thru us from the universe.
I've seen two ways to magically work with energy, first is the ardous path of the alchemist or ceremonial magician a la Bardon or Crowley perhaps the path of power, purposefully developing one's own energy and intent to a high level by following a very focused path not necessarily bad but involves the magician doing their own will and using their own energy which they have cultivated.
The other is the more transformative shamanic path this one also might involve some preset rituals but much more free flowing a surrender to the flow of channeling universal energies from the outside and merging your own energy and intent with the universe to become a conduit- and surrender can be much more difficult for modern people than working complicated rituals- the second one is the path of love, the Bushmen believe any time a healer or shaman feels drained and low energy after a working it's a sign they aren't highly enough tapped into the Big Love- and correct me if I'm wrong think being tapped into love and universal energies is a principle of Reiki too. I many young people tend to be naturals at the second path since their minds are maybe more open to those universal energies and flow in a less regimented fashion than adults. Also one if many good reasons to keep young people surrounded by love and positivity, with high grade stuff flowing less likely to deplete their own internal energy.
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Post by vampire on Dec 30, 2008 23:29:33 GMT 1
I think the evil eye is a perfect example of your theory, this magick can be used subconsciously or with intent.
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Post by dara on Jan 4, 2009 0:11:57 GMT 1
So basically Dara, your saying energy is in perfect balance infinity? Thats a nice way of putting it...And a very intallectual one. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. I had never thought of it how you put it, but thanks for putting it that way. Energy is in perfect balance as far as I see things. Every bit of energy has it's place. I believe that random wasn't the best word for me to use. I probably should have said (in regards to a flower growing), automatic perhaps. |
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Post by PaganOne on Apr 5, 2009 16:33:09 GMT 1
I used to say magick involved will and intent, but I'm not so sure anymore. I like Hedgie's idea about learning to live in harmony with nature. Magick is learning how.
I practice what I call Reiki Magick in that I try to bring healing and harmony to any and all situations rather than trying to manipulate or control anything.
On the other hand, I might be along for the ride, but I'm one heck of a backseat driver!
I read a lot of Starhawk's works and like her ideas that true communication and magick is learning how life interacts with other life and learning to become an active and beneifical part of the web of life. Learning to live in harmony and in the flow of life instead of bracing against it. She says magick is learning to see life's patterns and learning to weave ourselves into the best pattern to achieve our goal.
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Post by Jen on Apr 5, 2009 17:30:27 GMT 1
I read a lot of Starhawk's works and like her ideas that true communication and magick is learning how life interacts with other life and learning to become an active and beneifical part of the web of life. Learning to live in harmony and in the flow of life instead of bracing against it. She says magick is learning to see life's patterns and learning to weave ourselves into the best pattern to achieve our goal. I like this a lot - this is a great description of what magic is to me. See I know everything and everyone is connected, like a web, and everything and everyone effects that web. My magic these days focuses on all the signs and daily occurrences that happen to me and me looking at the bigger picture. I have asked the universe for help in the past and the universe has delivered. There was no circle cast, no incense burnt, no crystal, no wand no nothing. Just me and my inherent desire that the universe help me. Of course, I wasn't handed anything on a plate. I took notice of the daily occurences that were happening around me and when I saw an opportunity to aid me - I jumped at it. I wish I was eloquent enough to be able to put it into words like Stahawk. |
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Post by thatguy on Apr 18, 2009 2:47:43 GMT 1
I see magic as my own personal raw and unadulterated power. However, I'm not the only one with power, I share this universe with other beings. I understand the burden of sacrifice and of the joy of giving, the necessity to defend oneself and to communicate clearly to others, with regards to their interactions with me, what I consider acceptable and what I do not.
With regards to power, I feel any kind of power (personally I consider power and magic to be one and the same) is useless if one can be moved to exercise it rashly.
My view is that, I feel power is important and necessary, however, true power can only be gained by control, avoiding greed, and by establishing good relations with other beings without being a pushover.
I've noticed that powerful people really can stay out of each other's way.
I think I'm writing this because, although I adore harmony, greatly adore it. Harmony is sometimes reached by negotiation.
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Post by redwolf on May 18, 2009 5:20:49 GMT 1
For me 'magic' is effectign the without from within. Be it changing how I view things, getting up to change the burned light bulb. Or casting a spell to,,,, whatever. But it is also about realizing and accepting the responsibility of those acts and being able to take them upon yourself. If you slip off that chair whn you reach too far up to get to the over head lamp or cause a flood when you did not properly set the limits in your mind for the rain you wanted, it is still on you. Each act must be wieghted and its after effects at least considered. The always present plus AND minus have to be looked for then looked at. Even an act of charity.
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Post by PaganOne on Jun 1, 2009 14:16:58 GMT 1
Just finished reading one of Lyall Watson's books, and he says magick is whatever means one employs to get the job done.
Made me laugh but I like that.
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Post by redwolf on Jun 2, 2009 21:23:54 GMT 1
<<<Just finished reading one of Lyall Watson's books, and he says magick is whatever means one employs to get the job done. >>>
Isn't it?
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Post by watershield on Jun 3, 2009 5:07:37 GMT 1
Magic is so much less than what most people think it is.
Be it some Roman Catholic mass or a Wiccian High rite or someone burning insence and chanting over a cast iron pot....that's all drama, smoke and mirrors.
The magic is all around us. It just a matter of seeing it.
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Post by Jen on Jun 3, 2009 11:29:52 GMT 1
Magic is so much less than what most people think it is. Be it some Roman Catholic mass or a Wiccian High rite or someone burning insence and chanting over a cast iron pot....that's all drama, smoke and mirrors. The magic is all around us. It just a matter of seeing it. Agree with this completely. All the secrecy and mysticism is unnecessary and unwarranted in this day and age. Magic is there for everyone with eyes to see (and those without eyes too). |
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Post by redwolf on Jun 4, 2009 15:06:59 GMT 1
"All the secrecy and mysticism is unnecessary and unwarranted in this day and age."
It is kind of fun.
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Post by PaganOne on Nov 21, 2009 20:10:38 GMT 1
Over the past few months, I have learned firsthand that the core of magick is desire fueled by emotion. Not wishful thinking or feeling blue, but standing before the Universe pouring your heart and guts out and demanding that something be done.
Works for me!
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Post by Jen on Nov 22, 2009 14:15:18 GMT 1
standing before the Universe pouring your heart and guts out and demanding that something be done. Works for me! YEP! |
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Post by watershield on Nov 23, 2009 23:09:21 GMT 1
Works for me
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