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Post by watershield on Dec 13, 2005 7:47:48 GMT 1
Just had a bit of a snoop through the Willows Grove site.
Nice place.
Vermindaspirit had an interesting question regarding Astral Attacks. In short, When your only "link" is the inter-net, how is it possible?
I feel that as with any form of magic, an energy is used. When you cast a circle, read cards or runes, etc, your energy is spent in the doing. In that way, when you write, on paper or the inter-net, your energy is going into that writing.
When one reads your writing's, one can sense your energy in the way you phase a sentence, make a joke or stress a point. Depending on ones intent, one can either give you support by willing energy to you or attack you by drawing energy from your works. Energy is like a string. It connects two points no matter how many turns or twists are on the route. It can be a large heavy rope of a link or be thin as a hair. But it's still there.
There are other forms of attacks that can occur as well depending on the intensity of the link made to that energy.
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Post by angelis on Dec 21, 2005 1:27:27 GMT 1
Wow nice post. An do you have anymore deeper info on energy attacks. I know how to do this and how to transfer into the astral world. But I will see what I find around.
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Post by watershield on Dec 30, 2005 10:27:20 GMT 1
It is not my intent to advise how, but to inform that it is possible.
And because it is possible, one needs to be grounded at all times, not just when doing spell work.
As well, you should know how to shield when needed.
If you wish to check it out, you'll need to look into Satanism and Dark Magic. However, there is very little creditable written works in print or on the inter net. It's more a thing you learn from a lore master.
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Post by Jen on Jan 19, 2006 21:07:15 GMT 1
I agree with what you said watersheild. When a person spends time and energy on something, it manifests itself into an energy of its own. Any energy we put forward into the universe is gonna go about the universe until it gets used up by someone or something else.
An example is needed here me thinks ;D
I have spent a lot of time and energy on this post, that energy along with my intent is being directed to all who read it. Whoever reads it will receive a part of my energy, a part of my intent. Now they might choose to receive it or they will choose to ignore it, it makes no difference as I have sent my energy out into the cosmos to do its energy thing.
I personally believe ( and I know a lot of people disagree with me on this ) that any form of psychic attack has to be acknowledge by the person who the attack is intended for. If I don't acknowldege someone elses energy be it good or bad, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means that I choose not to acknowledge it and let it affect me. For that persons energy to have any impact on me I have to acknowledge it first.
I hope I explained myself well enough.
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Post by watershield on Jan 19, 2006 21:34:47 GMT 1
It has been my experience that a direct attack on the physical body is not possible.
An attack on the spirit however is very possible and very real, weather acknowledged or not.
If you have cable TV hooked up and your neighbor taps into it without your knowledge, he's still going to get TV until caught.
A shade can attack without your acknowledgment. They feed on energy. They drain the spirit and in turn the body will reflect this "reduction". They will continue to drain you until some one more tasty comes along, or you "catch" them and shield yourself.
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Post by Jen on Jan 19, 2006 21:53:59 GMT 1
A shade can attack without your acknowledgment. They feed on energy. They drain the spirit and in turn the body will reflect this "reduction". They will continue to drain you until some one more tasty comes along, or you "catch" them and shield yourself. But that is the whole point of sheilding in the first place. If a person is properly sheilded then attack can't happen. In my opinion. |
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Post by watershield on Jan 19, 2006 22:11:19 GMT 1
I agree, but how many people remain shielded, even partially, all the time?
I'm willing to bet the vast majority of witches beleive you only need to shield while doing spell work.
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Post by Goth on Jan 20, 2006 1:33:43 GMT 1
Ahhh, psychic vampires! Known a few of those in my lifetime LOL
In my experience, psychic vampires are usually people who always seem to have some sort of drama going on in their lives, are habitual whingers who revel in getting people to feel sorry for them. Only one person is important to them...and that's them. They usually have little or no regard for your health or wellbeing.
They 'feed' off your energy, to make themselves feel better, because they haven't learned to tap into their own energy resources in order to reach spiritual peace and order.
When you part company with a psychic vampire (if you can manage to get away, that is LOL) you are left feeling mentally and physically drained; because they've managed to transfer all their negative energies onto you, while feeding off your positive ones. They go away feeling happy, because you've made them feel better, while you're left feeling ill because they've completely drained your energy resources.
The hardest part I think, is knowing where to draw the line between empathy and apathy. If you're a naturally empathic person, it's hard to distance yourself from other people's pain.
I think we're all able to tell the 'geniune' people from the spongers though, if we're honest, and it's the spongers we have to shield ourselves against.
I had a friend who was a psychic vampire and I tried to break contact with her for years....but she just wouldn't take the hint. It was quite awkward, because her husband and mine had been best friends since chilldhood. Our 'friendship' was all about 'her.' She would never even ask me how I was, or what I'd been upto. She's since left her husband and family and gone off with a bloke she met at work (5 months ago)......I haven't heard from her much since then....she's found a new person to 'feed' off.
And you know something? I'm a much more relaxed person nowadays. Whenever she'd turn up on the doorstep, my stomach would turn over and my heart would start to race. She was the type of person who would follow you into the kitchen, and no matter what you were doing, be it in the middle of preparing a meal, seeing to one of the children, or whatever, she would demand my attention constantly. I had to drop whatever I was doing and listen to her and her problems......the whole time. After she'd left, I'd feel 'shellshocked' LOL. I may laugh now, but it wasn't funny at the time.
I'm glad she's out of my life to be honest. Took 15 years, mind you ;D
Towards the end of our friendship, I'd find myself 'switching off' during conversations with her. I'd let my mind wander and just add 'yes' and 'no' in the right places LOL. This is how I dealt with it.
I read this advice somewhere, about defending yourself against a psychic attack:
"Visualise their negative energies being sent back to them...in whatever form you like. You could imagine that you're holding a mirror, reflective side out, against your abdomen, and all their negative energies are being reflected right back at them."
I thought this was pretty cool!
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Post by watershield on Jan 20, 2006 5:17:24 GMT 1
As well as the individuals that act as vampires, there are what I refer to as shades.
Beings that exist only on the astral level/plain. Not intentionally negative (for the most part) they just feed on energy.
Goth said:
This can have even a more powerful effect. If you learn how to amplify the energy before you channel it back.
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Post by Ebony on Jan 20, 2006 8:39:19 GMT 1
Watershield, And everyone else... This has all been excellent reading. I have experienced all this. I now realize that I am a perfect target for psychic vampires as I am very empathic. I do get caught up in the "abandoned puppy, gotta take care of him" syndrome, and have not learned to distance myself from that kind of person, although I am learning! The shades being mentioned, well, now know I have not been going crazy and imagining little devils in my head. There's real devils in my head!  I have been working on psychic shielding, grounding, and protection, so guess I need to work harder at these. Thanks for the info! |
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Post by Goth on Jan 20, 2006 10:20:33 GMT 1
This can have even a more powerful effect. If you learn how to amplify the energy before you channel it back. I'm not sure that I'd be happy to amplify the energy that I sent back, because then I wouldn't just be protecting myself...I'd be consciously intending to harm them, which could have karmic repercussions for me. No, by just reflecting the negative energies that they are putting out, back at them, I'm effectively protecting myself but doing no harm to them....in effect, they'd be harming themselves. |
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Post by Goth on Jan 20, 2006 10:36:51 GMT 1
I personally believe ( and I know a lot of people disagree with me on this ) that any form of psychic attack has to be acknowledge by the person who the attack is intended for. If I don't acknowldege someone elses energy be it good or bad, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means that I choose not to acknowledge it and let it affect me. For that persons energy to have any impact on me I have to acknowledge it first. . *Applauds Hedge* Very well said! Learn to rise above it....literally  Visualise yourself floating above them......allowing their energy to dissipate somewhere else. Another method, is to visualise yourself surrounded by a bubble (any colour, whichever works for you). When their energy 'hits' your bubble, it bounces back off and surrounds them instead. Their energy could be visiualised as a spray of water (imagine a hose pipe), or smoke. |
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Post by Goth on Jan 20, 2006 11:19:30 GMT 1
Sorry Watershield, I seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent there LOL You're original post was about psychic attacks on the net wasn't it?
It's hard to decipher the written word sometimes, because you can't actually see that person to read their expressions. However, it is perfectly possible to be aware of negative energies being sent to you via the written word.
Now, when I say negative energy, I don't mean a difference in opinion. We all have differences of opinions from time to time, and that's a good thing. It lets us see others perspectives, and sometimes we can even learn something from it. If someone's opinion offends us, then it's us who has the problem; be it a lack of knowledge, confidence, or security.
The negative energy that I'm talking about includes:
1. The habitual whinger, that constantly emails you with their problems and expects you to solve them.
2. The nasty individual who proceeds to flame you at every given opportunity.
3. Someone who deliberately twists your words to make out you meant something you didn't.
These individuals are insecure, lack confidence and probably don't have many friends.
The only way to shield yourself from these people, is to completely ignore them and refuse to give them your time and energy. Either don't respond to their emails, or don't respond to their posts. In doing so, you've broken the connection, and they are left in a state of limbo, anger and bewilderment....until they find someone else to feed off.
I've had experience with this *winks at Hedge*.
Venting is a good thing too. If you can find a private place to vent about this person, you are helping to release all the negative energies from yourself....enabling you to 'move on' so to speak.
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Post by watershield on Jan 20, 2006 18:41:38 GMT 1
Hey Goth. I think we all slipped away from the original post a tad. However, as we did...
Goth wrote:
That's the distinction between "white" and "dark" magic.
You don't need to use it, but you should be aware of it.
I agree as this relates to the the physical plain. But do you not think that it's possible to make that connection , hold it and make psychic attacks?
Hedge wrote:
As long as that post / email / letter / etc is out there, energy is contained which could continue that link.
While I do believe that an attack from a shade is possible, they are rare. Rather, I think that most "attacks" are totally unintentional.
I'll ask the question again. How many people do you think maintain a shield 24/7? I think very few.
It's my belief that there are far to many people out there that have "fatigue syndrome" or some other ailment that is not easily explained by the medical world, and it could very well be the result of several things.
First, I do believe there are individuals as well as shades that can attach to you and drain you of your energy, weaken your spirit and eventually will harm your body.
But secondly, I believe that the process of grounding, forcing all of the negative energy "down and away" has a cumulative effect. We're pushing it all down into the earth but never going back to reclaim it, with control.
As I've said many times, all things will find a balance in time. If we push our negative energies away and never reclaim it, it will eventually find us. Not always when we're ready for it nor able to handle it.
If we are shielded and that energy is "refused", it will find a balance with some one else.
There are many forms of pollution and phychic energy is just another form.
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Post by Goth on Jan 20, 2006 22:35:45 GMT 1
I agree as this relates to the the physical plain. But do you not think that it's possible to make that connection , hold it and make psychic attacks? Ahh, now I see what you're getting at  We're talking about the 'evil eye' here....yes? I still maintain that if you break that connection of energy, by whatever method, it's very nigh impossible for the other person to hold onto that connection. Of course, it all depends on how strong you are as a person. It's a battle of wills, so to speak. A person can only drain your energy, if you allow them to. And to allow them to, you have to be aware of what they're doing. The signs of awareness are usually constant thoughts of the person, an inablility to 'let go', and anxiety upon hearing their name mentioned, or written in print. The same applies to curses. A curse will only affect you, if you believe it's going to affect you. If you are unaware of the curse, how can it possibly affect you? Magick is all about intent and belief, if you don't believe, then it has no effect whatsoever. Just my twopenneth P.S. Great topic |
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Visualise yourself floating above them......allowing their energy to dissipate somewhere else.