necromancy

[kelticsorcerer]

okay so we know that raising the dead for any purpose has been done by sorcerers of the past and we know that it is not a permanent resurection but is it ethical?

[watershield]

I certainly don't KNOW that it has ever been done.
There have been claims of raising the dead, but never fact.
I do know that there is evidence of placing someone into a drug or emotionally induced coma and bringing them out over time in a hipnotic state (the zombe).

Ethics....what is ethical to me may not be to you.
What is ethical to a South American Pygmy may not be ethical to the Pope
By and large, ethics is a personal thing, especially when dealing with the craft, or any belief structure or religion.

[sobek]

necromancy like all other forms of magic, is an art. it does more than raise the dead. and i personally am not too sure if it has ever been done, things die for a reason and it would take a hell of a lot of energy to re-animate something thus, plus theres alot more there than simply raising the dead.

[kelticsorcerer]

I think in most of the historical accounts of necromancy it it the spirit of the deceased that is summoned, not the physical body as portrayed in hollywood. I agree with the comment on ethics and it brings me to think of another related topic I might post.

[sobek]

in most of the written accounts i have come across it has been the spirit, though there were some countries where they would place a heavy stone over the deads coffin or what have they to prevent a sorcerer from using them

[kelticsorcerer]

spooky!! : )

[sobek]

nothing wrong with being cautious i suppose.

[magikhappens]

Necromancy (Greek νεκρομαντία, nekromantía) is a form of divination in which the practitioner seeks to summon the spirits of the dead, called "operative spirits" or "spirits of divination", for multiple reasons, from spiritual protection to wisdom. The word necromancy derives from the Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía), "divination". However, since the Middle Ages, necromancy has come to be associated more broadly with black magic and demon-summoning in general, sometimes losing its earlier, more specialized meaning – the forceful application of a dead spirit to a human body using astronomical energy.

Ancient necromancy

The Witch of Endor is the most famous Biblical necromancer.Early necromancy is likely related to shamanism, which calls upon spirits such as the ghosts of ancestors. Classical necromancers addressed the dead in "a mixture of high-pitch squeaking and low droning", comparable to the trance-state mutterings of shamans.[1]

The historian Strabo refers to necromancy as the principal form of divination amongst the people of Persia (Strabo, xvi. 2, 39, νεκρομαντία), and it is believed to also have been widespread amongst the peoples of Chaldea (particularly amongst the Sabians or star-worshipers), Etruria, and Babylonia. The Babylonian necromancers were called Manzazuu or Sha'etemmu, and the spirits they raised were called Etemmu.

Necromancy was widespread in ancient Greece from prehistoric times. In the Odyssey (XI, Nekyia), Odysseus makes a voyage to Hades, the Underworld, and raises the spirits of the dead using spells which he had learnt from Circe (Ruickbie, 2004:24). His intention is to invoke and ask questions of the shade of Tiresias, but he is unable to summon it without the assistance of others.

Although some cultures may have considered the knowledge of the dead to be unlimited, to the ancient Greeks and Romans, there is an indication that individual shades knew only certain things. The apparent value of their counsel may have been a result of things they had known in life, or of knowledge they acquired after death: Ovid writes of a marketplace in the underworld, where the dead could exchange news and gossip (Metamorphoses 4.444; Tristia 4.10.87–88).[1]

There are also many references to necromancers, called "bone-conjurers", in the Bible. The Book of Deuteronomy (XVIII 9–12) explicitly warns the Israelites against the Canaanite practice of divination from the dead. This warning was not always heeded: King Saul has the Witch of Endor invoke the shade of Samuel using a magical amulet, for example. Later Christian writers rejected the idea that humans could bring back the spirits of the dead, and interpreted such shades as disguised demons, thus conflating necromancy with demon-summoning. This conflation seems to be a flagrant misread of the biblical texts. In the Hebraic mindset, the dead could be called to speak to the living.

Norse mythology also contains examples of necromancy (Ruickbie, 2004:48), such as the scene in the Völuspá in which Odin summons a seeress from the dead to tell him of the future. In Grógaldr, the first part of Svipdagsmál, the hero Svipdag summons his dead Völva mother, Gróa, to cast spells for him. In Hrólf Kraki's saga, the half-elven princess Skuld was very skilled in witchcraft (seiðr), and this to the point that she was almost invincible in battle. When her warriors fell, she made them rise again to continue fighting.

more:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necromancy

[caine]

Necromancy is simply magick work with the dead. It sounds worse than it really is. It of course has nothing to do with reserecting the dead just summonig their soul, like a seance.

[angelis]

Necromancy if you do not know your symbols and which ones counter others. You have to be careful in so to say it ((f**king around with this side)) Sorry for the swear but you are messing with a place that is you see the true side of what Necromancy means then you can do more then brings souls back. You can to posisions and other things that I will not get into the finer details of. But I will tell you this please with all you can study this, but study it to learn to protect yourself from it as well.

[caine]

angelis I had a hard time mking heads or tails of what you said "posisions" I'm not familiar with the word. Did you mean possession? Also what symbols are you talking about? You speak about Necromancy as if it is something to be feared, which brings up the question are you scared of it?

[magikhappens]

I have used my ouija board for many years, as long as one is aware of what exactly you are doing, then there is no harm in it whats so ever.

Without going into too much, I hear spirits all the time (even without a ouija) so I know they exsist. Necromancy is simply communicating with the one's who have past over. Again, when you have studied it and know what you are doing - then there is NO harm in it.

[angelis]

Yah I meant possesions. I was typing to damn quick to know what the hell I was typing. I fear it enough to know things are not to come back to this world. If they are you can't control them. The symbols I am talking about are the symbols of power from the necro. book.

[caine]

Necro Book angelis?

[angelis]

God I don't remember the title but I will get you the title and the author.