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Post by watershield on Feb 24, 2009 1:22:25 GMT 1
I've been playing with several thoughts for some time and would like some input from others. My head hurts and I need additional perspectives.
Science says that if we could represent space and time as a line, that line would form an arc. It follows that an arc becomes a circle.
Now add into that image the Big Bang. An event that happened at one given point in our distant past.
So, if space and time are circular then "we" will eventually come around to the Big Bang. The end of all creation in the start of all creation. The Alpha and the Omaga. And for that matter, no matter how many times the cycle has repeated, in truth there has never been, nor will there ever be more than the one event. The past is our future and the future our past. The present is but a refernce point along the way.....
And if that is so, what comes after the Bang? Will creation unfold as it already has, countless numbers of times? Or will it unfold differently? Can it unfold differently?
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Post by kolohe on Feb 24, 2009 22:07:44 GMT 1
An arc can also be part of a spiral, coming and going.
rising from the still point of potential off into the infinite void
In the center nothing is lost
so here we stand in between, but never standing still
the inside pulls away from earth to heaven
the outside echoes down and shakes our souls
Can we count, measure and control these myriad things between the nothings?
Is reality even out there?
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Post by Heka on Feb 26, 2009 13:32:05 GMT 1
Who knows WS?? Who knows???
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Post by mollimizz on Mar 1, 2009 23:10:37 GMT 1
Deep WaterShield ! Deep :~)
I kind of think it's like Kolohe said...
The Spiral effect as the Medicine Men teach.
Once this cycle is complete we start anew,
a new spiral with evolved living creatures
and evolved thinkings.
Just my three cents...
Gentle Light
Mollimizz
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Post by kolohe on Mar 6, 2009 13:23:16 GMT 1
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Post by Jen on Mar 6, 2009 18:10:39 GMT 1
I'm not convinced the line would form an arc. Why can't it be just a straight line?
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Post by mollimizz on Mar 7, 2009 21:59:06 GMT 1
I'm not convinced the line would form an arc. Why can't it be just a straight line? |
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Post by kolohe on Mar 7, 2009 23:02:29 GMT 1
Nature doesn't like straight lines.
1 day= 1 spin
1 year= 1 spin
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Post by Jen on Mar 8, 2009 11:12:59 GMT 1
Nature doesn't like straight lines. Crystalline structure has a lot of straight lines. Crystalline structure is the base of all life. Light travels in a straight line. Another thing to ponder is that this line hasn't been defined an ending point yet. Every day it is still traveling, it is creating more of it's line. |
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Post by Avaros on Mar 9, 2009 22:59:45 GMT 1
If the timeline of things is circular, this means it has an undeniable pattern, if we are to inevitably again reach the "Big Bang" and things are too unfold again, it would be expected to follow the exact same pattern.
However, we must keep in mind that the concept of time, in retrospect is completely manmade, time theoretically only exists because we believe it to exist, it is merely there for keeping track of things. Time does not truly exist.
If you were to look at space, it is hard to say if it is infinite, or if it ends. If we were to go straight, from earth continuosly and end up at Earth again, this means that the universe is not infinite, as it in someway connects to itself. The problem truly lies in the fact that time, although manmade is limitless, it will constantly go on if no-one is there to keep track of it, and another problem stems from the fact that we cannot actually measure space. If time and space were an arc, yes, we would inevitably end up doing the same thing, infact, in a way this would make everyone and everything inevitably immortal, as they would constantly have the same life ahead of them.
However, it is more then likely that things do not neccisarilly amount to anything, like a line, or an arc. It could be that simply yesterdays actions, although they create change, are done and over with, and there is nothing truly collected with that, meaning that in a way, there is only this moment in existance.
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Post by watershield on Mar 10, 2009 9:19:43 GMT 1
In fact research is going on attempting to define dark matter and dark energy. It's thought that these are part of a greater equation in determining the nature of this universe.
For instance;
If we exist within a closed universe, then the expansion will slow, reverse and "we" will expect a Big Collapse.
If we exist within a flat universe, then we will continue to expand forever, slowing over time and eventually going cold and dead.
If we exist in an open universe than the expansion will continue as it is, unchanged, into infinity.
From what I have been reading, science is growing close to solving this riddle. I suspect we will eventually find this is an open universe (speculation).
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Post by lisa on Mar 19, 2009 0:43:31 GMT 1
I'm not sure how relevent this is...but I watched a science special recently that claimed that at some point our galaxy is simply going to collide with the next closest one...Andromeda I think...does that count as a Big Bang???
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Post by watershield on Mar 19, 2009 18:35:03 GMT 1
I am aware of that story. In fact, I've read that Andromeda and the Milky Way are already interacting. No one knows for sure how this will play out as we are talking thousands of years if not millions for the merge. However, when you consider that the Milky Way is estimated at 100,000 light years across we are dealing with a huge area of space.
The gavitational fields of various solar systems will be affected and there will no doubt be collisions and stellar distruction. But I would think, by and large, new systems will fill in currentl empty areas.
The merge simulations depict a swirling action which in itself suggests centrifical force creating an expansion
All said, this is so far down the road, I'm not lossing sleep over it.
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Post by lisa on Mar 19, 2009 22:30:21 GMT 1
I hope I have a good seat when that happens...what a light show that will be.
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