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Post by Jen on May 21, 2008 10:47:04 GMT 1
Do you think our fate is set in stone?
Do you think that our whole lives are pre-destined and already mapped out for us or do you believe that the future is forever changing and shifting?
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Post by watershield on May 21, 2008 16:50:55 GMT 1
I've always thought of this question in the individual sense, forgetting about the global picture.
I think we as individuals are presented with opportunities.
Before us, with every step we take, there are an untold number of doors that are open. Each leading to a slightly different possibility. Once we step through, all the doors behind us close resulting in a tunnel if you will. We chose a path and that can not be altered. However, once again, the future is undetermined.
But if we look at the events happening in the world around us. Things that we as individuals seemingly have no say in what will or will not happen, then I begin to wonder.
Food shortages caused by a combination of climate change and ethanol production. Insect and animal populations in decline.
Increased activity with Earth quakes, floods, fires, hurricanes, tsunami. Unsettling political and religious climates.
It does begin to feel that there may be somethings more involved.
But then, that could be just a simplistic desire to push the blame off on some "higher power" just as our caveman ancesters did when they first asked why.
I believe it's more likely it's the accumlitive stupidity of mans self gratifying and greedy choices made over the centuries. Choices that have set mankind on a one way path that we have already traveled to far along and the doorways of opportunity are fewer and fewer with every step we take.
Does fate exist? The fate of our own making, most deffinetly yes.
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Post by debralah on May 21, 2008 17:41:22 GMT 1
I believe that some things are fated whereas others are not. I believe that most things are not fated so it is up to us to make our own fate. But I feel there are certain things that are fated that we all have to go through that we have no choice in, such as the time of our deaths. I think that is predestined personally.  |
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Post by PaganOne on May 22, 2008 1:01:02 GMT 1
I do not believe in pre-destiny or fate. Those concepts require a controlling deity which is not part of my path.
To me the future does not change or shift because the future does not exist.
If I am a hunter and shoot an arrow at a deer, the intent is that I will hit and kill the deer. My intent is that which I "will" by my action to come to pass. If I become pregant, I know that at some point that I will either give birth or have a miscarriage. The only future is in my planning and hope for tomorrow.
To ask if the future exists, one must also ask if the past exists.
What I am today and where I am today is a result of everything I have ever done in here and now moments. The past is not a place or an alternate existance. It is not gone. It never was.
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Post by Heka on May 22, 2008 7:14:04 GMT 1
I'm not sure if i di. It's all very complicated. I really don't know. But i do thing that the futre will shift and change depending on our actions
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Post by PaganOne on May 22, 2008 17:39:58 GMT 1
I'm not sure if i di. It's all very complicated. I really don't know. But i do thing that the futre will shift and change depending on our actions While I do not believe the future exists, I do understand what you are saying here. If I shoot an arrow, it is important to know the motivation behind my shot. Did I shoot at a deer? Did I shoot at a person? Did I shoot at a target? Behind each of these is a different set of emotions or expectations which is the trigger for what is to expected to come. Did I shoot at the deer because my family is hungry? The hope for the future is that they will be fed. Did I shoot at the person in fear or out of anger or with evil intent? I can assume I shot at the target for fun or was it in practice and preperation for shooting at a deer or defending my family or geting revenge? The intentions of the past determine the future. Once the arrow is let go, who knows if it will or will not reach its target. Intent and expectation is everything. |
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Post by watershield on May 22, 2008 21:04:57 GMT 1
That seems a tad contradictory to me. Not sure what you're attempting to explain.
You can see the past by looking at the stars. That light was generated thousands of years ago but is only visible to you now.
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Post by Heka on May 26, 2008 9:25:59 GMT 1
i love the way that the stars are like that
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Post by PaganOne on May 27, 2008 0:27:17 GMT 1
That seems a tad contradictory to me. Not sure what you're attempting to explain. You can see the past by looking at the stars. That light was generated thousands of years ago but is only visible to you now. Yes it does sound contradictory. I was trying to explain things from Heka's point of view and not mine. What I should have said is that one's intention determines the here and now, in keeping with my previous post. I knew someone would pick up on that. As to seeing the stars, I know where you are coming from; but I only see the light from the stars in the here and now, in the present moment. I go the quantum physics route where everything exists everywhere in the same moment. |
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Post by watershield on May 27, 2008 2:24:36 GMT 1
It's been said that quantum physics is just a quark of nature...  |
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Post by Jen on May 27, 2008 9:03:51 GMT 1
It's been said that quantum physics is just a quark of nature... Didn't know whether to groan or giggle.....the giggling came first. |
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Post by watershield on May 27, 2008 18:03:10 GMT 1
Yah....I know, kind of lame wasn't it...... ;D
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Post by wolfsbane00010 on May 28, 2008 1:07:23 GMT 1
I think that everything, good or bad, is one us and ourselves. That a higher power can give us guidence and try and lead us, but many of our desicions (sp?) our on ourselves. But there are a few incidents were I beileve a higher power acts through all of us, that's what I think at least  |
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Post by Goth on May 28, 2008 11:13:27 GMT 1
Do you think our fate is set in stone? Do you think that our whole lives are pre-destined and already mapped out for us or do you believe that the future is forever changing and shifting? I don't believe in fate. If fate existed, it would negate 'freewill'. It would mean that no matter what personal choices we made, the outcome would be the same. |
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Post by Heka on Jun 6, 2008 8:09:15 GMT 1
It's been said that quantum physics is just a quark of nature... Didn't know whether to groan or giggle.....the giggling came first. i groaned first haha |
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